----- Original Message ----- From: "jcsz1" <jcsz1@...> To: "Rawn Clark" <rawnclark@...> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 6:27 PM Subject: Re: self knowledge_imagination Hi Eric, Regarding Rawn's comments below, I found a link (thanks Adrian) which gives a very nice analogy of a crystal that helps in understanding this relationship. It shows not only that the personal self is not lost, but that it's impossible, because it is already an integral part of the greater. The only(!) thing WE have to do is to expand our own awareness to encompass a greater field of vision of ourselves - which is ultimately encompassed by the All of which we are a part - from a single point, to a one dimensional line of points, to a two dimensional plane and to the whole crystal's three- dimensional truth. http://www.quantum-metaphysics.com/essay.htm Anyway, read the article and comment if it helps any. Best wishes, Julia > The Greater Self is *not separate from* the Individual or personal > levels of Self. The Greater Self *includes* and is *continuously and simultaneously aware of* each of its Individuals and their persons. The Greater Self is not less aware of the Individual and personal layers -- it is infinitely more aware of them because, from the Greater perspective, their totality is perceived/experienced simultaneous to their moment-to-moment existence. > > Your Greater Self is *always* this aware of your present-moment > self/experience. The question is one of whether or not the personal, mundane level of your conscious awareness is aware of the Greater awareness. Initiation is the process of becoming steadily more and more aware of the whole of your Self. >