Hermetic initiation as Bardon presented it is not about following another person's revelation. Instead, it is about empowering the student's own abilities to attain their own personal "revelations". Thank you Rawn! This is the True revelation of the path of Magic. Each individual follows his abilities and finds solace in his own discovery of the mysteries. It is not the same as I told you so rather that I know so! Jay ----- Original Message ----- From: Rawn Clark To: BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 12:30 AM Subject: [BardonPraxis] Re: Remembering Aleister Crowley Dear Joa, >> I think that today it´s inevitable for all the students of the occult to remember that exactly one hundred years ago (on 8th April 1904), a young man called Aleister Crowley began to receive a supposed revelation in El Cairo (Egypt) from Aiwass, his Holy Guardian Angel: The Book of the Law. << While I don't mean to offend your own set of beliefs, you have greatly overstated when you use the words "inevitable" and "all" in this context. :) >> It seems that Bardon had a great respect for "The Great Beast" because there´s a passage in IIH that has clearly the crowleian influence: "Love is the Law, Love under Will". Bardon wrote this, but curiously he didn´t make any mention about Crowley. << That phrase is not original to Crowley. But even if he was in fact quoting Crowley, there's no indication of exactly how Bardon felt about Crowley. >> I haven´t got very clear what is the "bardonist":) attitude on Crowley. Did Bardon believe in the authenticity of that "revelation"? What was really his opinion about Crowley and what was the real grade of influence of Crowley on Bardon in the creation of IIH? << Bardon didn't say. >> Rawn, I have observed that you don´t make any mention on Crowley (for example in your "anotated bibliography" there is not any book of Crowley. To me, this is highly surprising because his influence on FB is evident, like I said before). Do you consider him a black magician? What is your personal opinion about him and his system of training? Can you clarify me these points? << Personally, I find no value in Crowley's writings and I do not see any "evidence" of his influence upon Bardon's system. Hermetic initiation as Bardon presented it is not about following another person's revelation. Instead, it is about empowering the student's own abilities to attain their own personal "revelations". My best to you, :) Rawn Clark 08 April 2004 rawnclark@... rawn@... http://www.ABardonCompanion.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis http://E.webring.com/hub?ring=arionthebardonwe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: BardonPraxis-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]