Dear Joa, >> Well, if the magician chooses don´t protect himself, that´s his personal election. But, what about his loving beings? Must he resigns to see how they are killed? If the magician refuses to protect them using black magic if it is necessary, can this omission of help generate a bad karma to him? That´s the question. Please, note that I am not talking about "seeking revenge" in any way. << :) There's no universal rule of what action will cause negative karma for *every* individual. It's just too complex to generalize in that way. All I can say with certainty is that if *I* were to react in that way *I* would generate a huge negative karmic debt for myself. >> In fact, when someone plays with black magic, he is playing with something very real and very dangerous, because it escapes easily to your control and you never know what will be the final result of that game or the magnitude of the harm that you really can create to others or to yourself. << It really bugs me when folks speak of "Black Magic" because what you're describing here is *not* magic. It's psychosis and anti-social behaviour. In other words, it's mental illness not magic. >> I am in total accord with you, Rawn, when you say that in the practice of magic, ethics plays a very important role, but in my humble opinion the life can present situations very extreme and difficult where the best defence can be a good attack. Do you agree with me? << No, *I* don't but what difference does that make? What matters is what *you* think. :) My best to you, :) Rawn Clark 03 May 2004 rawnclark@... rawn@... http://www.ABardonCompanion.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis http://E.webring.com/hub?ring=arionthebardonwe