Dear Joa, There's a fine internal line between defending yourself and your loved ones, and getting back at someone who has hurt you. At the core of the difference is emotional motivation. Reacting out of fear and spite or to seek revenge, is all about how hurt or afraid *you* feel and has nothing to do with actual defense or protection. Nor does it have anything to do with *magic*. In order to perform *magic*, you must step back from emotional motivation. Granted, emotional investment plays a part in the power of one's magical effectiveness but only as a *tool*, not as a core motivation. A true magician is in *command of* their emotions, not ruled *by* them. I've had the opportunity to speak and work with several folks who have been the subject of genuine "psychic attacks" and not a single one of them had any success by *fighting* their oppressors on the same level at which their attackers were working. They only succeeded when they *protected themselves* through the application of higher forms of magic. And in my own life, when I come under this sort of attack, I never "fight back" or seek to in any way take revenge through harming the attacker. Personally, I don't *care* if they learn a lesson or suffer because of their actions against me. I simply protect myself and diffuse my attacker. In this way, the attacker is disempowered; whereas, responding in kind *only* empowers them. That is the nature of attack -- it thrives upon receiving the fear reaction from its victim. If the victim refuses to be a victim and does not reply in kind with a negative action, then the attacker gains nothing and has, in fact, lost energy. While personal ethics play a role here, the main issue is what actually works when you're confronted with an attack. :) For example, if some one is attacking you with a knife, then obviously you want to disable them in whatever way you are able. But going further and then trying to kill them because they had the gall to attack you is another matter entirely and this is where personal ethics come into play. Defending yourself is an instinctual necessity but taking revenge is an emotionally motivated *choice*. My best to you, :) Rawn Clark 29 April 2004 rawnclark@... rawn@... http://www.ABardonCompanion.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis http://E.webring.com/hub?ring=arionthebardonwe