oooooh, that makes sense and seems more integrated. Thanks again! Rawn Clark <rawnclark@...> wrote: Dear Justin, >> So the initiate at step nine is making his ritual tools and charging them. In relation to his KTQ training begins learning the letters. It seems as if one can work more with KTQ than PME at this point. If one begins traveling through the the elemental planes and the zone girdling the earth at step 10 than what spirits could they evoke properly? << It takes a few times of reading through these books to catch some of the subtleties. If you look closely at Step Nine, in the section where he talked about various uses of the Magic Mirror, among them you'll find reference to PME and contacting entities. Furthermore, in Step Eight, the magician is given the necessary tool for evocation to a *mental* density, namely mental wandering. By the end of Step Eight, the initiate is capable of making mental contact with an entity, which is the first stage of an evocation. So during Step Nine -plus- PME, one is learning how to evoke beings to a *mental* density and then later, to an astral and/or physical density. My best to you, :) Rawn Clark 21 Aug 2004 rawnclark@... rawn@... http://www.ABardonCompanion.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis http://E.webring.com/hub?ring=arionthebardonwe Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: BardonPraxis-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yours in truth, Justin B Truth.The Work.Growth.Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]