First of all I am glad that were having this discussion. Second I am in complete understanding of Ravns comment about creation an unbalance by persuing the possible instead of continuing with the sufficient. The issue here was if it was an actual requirement for proceeding to step 6 or not. And my personal curiosity about the degree of students who passed step 5 who was able to do that kind of manifestations. A question for Rawn: you say that the visualisation of an object in step 2 hasn´t got to be as clear as if it was physical? What degree is sufficient then? I been having a slight problem as well since my respective eyes tends to view the object separately. Different angles etc..strange experience. I suppose it it just to keep going until i got a good binocular picture I guess. respectfully //Johannes --- In BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Scott" <rscott@p...> wrote: > Dear Rawn > > RE: Step V - a few questions (cont) > >