I am starting this thread in an attempt to creat a purifying current,to associate experience with analogy and offset much of the confusion i imagen we all face in this field. >From my experience the will is raw formless energy Structored by its enviroment(which is bound energy/will)from my experience with bardons system and previous systems(raja yoga etc) and self analysis i have come to the belife that the ability to exacute any mental excercise relies apon the flow of energy,The excercises givin in bardon from observation i belive indirectly cause a incressed stress and flow threw the circuitry(nadi's) of raw energy which manifest in the desired state,so the excercises themselves do nothing more then act as lenses?most intensly i experienced a sudden trance in which i was physicaly paralyized and felt balls of energy the size of golf balls move from the back of the base of my neck up my brainstem and dissipate from the base of my skull,From my observation I belive that the base of the skull(qoph?) is where the purest architypes are held in gnosis(black/formless/primordial conciousness precursing the sensory circuits) and corrolates to the mental body?it is less aware of time and doesn't "move" in the same way and would corrolate it to fire or expansion,the midbrain seems to be a constant state of flux and contemplation/modification of thouse purer images of the back brain And I assume is the seat of the astral body and the air element?and finaly the front brain/brow(ayin) from experience must relate to the physical body the "phsysical" or densest body the element would be water or contraction.I also observe a constant movement back and forth from these two poles which animate the entire being.In meditation I'v noticed Two seperate "images" or bodies of any thought,one still and unshakable i would relate to the back of the skull,and one dancing/moving i would associate with the midbrain or reflection.The challenge then in any excercise is how do sustain focus on the pure image in the back and prevent the association and commentary originating from the midbrain,idealy haveing a unbroken circuit from back to front.but i'v come to suspect one can never "stop" or shut down the commentary/movement of the astral/middle nature one can only move it out of the circuit of focus or active awareness,in other words preventing your mind from shifting to the state of observation that can be energized from creating a circuit/excercise.this is as far as i can comprehend at this point,but i assume that more advanced practices would either involve channeling energy(will) using a filter(sigils/magick)and out threw the etherical sheath to effect the exterior enviroment(either by the creation of servitors or psychokinesis)in the subtler or courser levels of existence.As well as invocation and such would involve creating a filter(like the spirits in practical evokation) to express/contain the pure knowledge/information(gnosis)so that the conciouss self could receive the information threw the sensory circuit and be associated with the conciouss self.Not that spirits and such can't exist but they and us exist ultimatly in pure information which all things emerge and return to.the created and semi-created worlds achive their density primarly because of their limitations/peramiters caused by association. I was interested in anyones experience and how it relates to the bardon composite system or any analogy, so that we might all better comprehend this work/self