Something that I have become more aware of is that the only constant nature of my Mind is empty space (no cheap jokes please :)). I use the term Mind to mean that which is left over after I stop holding onto (clinging) thoughts, emotions and physical sensations as a constant and true me. How can someting that is always coming and going, and never always there, be a true state of consciousness that I can call me. When I am very concentrated I see all these thoughts and feelings like clouds drifting past me, I catch myself getting stuck to one or two and then must regain my focus. So, in a way I feel like an actor playing a role, I choose to use white mirror qualities to play my part, but know that it is in a way just an act. When a Zen master asks the question "what did your face look like before your parents were born", it can only be answered when all possible answers are dropped. I believe that to have true intent and will power I must find and firmly estabish this true state of self, this is why I think Bardon makes the vacancy of mind a prerequisite and life long preactice. The mind is a mirror, and what is truth is reflected in that moment. I'll step off my soap box now Sokan --- In BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com, "sokan108" <carpediem108@a...> wrote: > I'm wondering if anyone has had the same experience I have had in > seeing a relationship to mastering the mind, emotions and body, and > the meditation practice in Zen and Vipassana Buddhism. I am > specifically refering to the process of observing and ultimatley > letting go of thought, feelings (the mirrors) and the body (asana). > Both traditions if mastered allow the practitoner to focus the mind > on pure consciousness (vacancy of mind), and to not be a slave to the > emotional (controling the sub-conscious) and physical bodies (body > control). Bardons method is governed by an application of will power, > and Buddhas through developed mindfulness. > > Just food for thought > > Sokan