Dear ForestofSymbols, >> Does anyone have any possible insights on the relationship, if any, between the five Chinese (or Taoist) elements (metal, water, fire, earth, and wood) and the classic four elements (keeping in mind, of course, ether as well)? << If you do an "Archive Search" on the BardonPraxis website http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis you'll find several posts on this subject that might help answer your questions. My best to you, :) Rawn Clark 09 May 2003 rawnclark@... rawn@... http://www.ABardonCompanion.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis http://E.webring.com/hub?ring=arionthebardonwe