Dear Alan, >> Obviously a longer sustained state, but to me there must be something else. << I wanted to just echo what EMC said. :) There IS more but describing it is really rather useless. It's something you must experience for yourself. Just trust the process and the fact that it *will* evolve, and enjoy the journey! :) My best to you, :) Rawn Clark 21 Jul 2003 rawnclark@... rawn@... http://www.ABardonCompanion.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis http://E.webring.com/hub?ring=arionthebardonwe