Dear David, I want to begin by suggesting that IIH is not the path for you. If after 5 months of involvement you express these sorts of doubts about the path you're pursuing then, to my mind at least, this is a pretty clear sign that you're not following a path that resonates with you. :) Perhaps Buddhism would be the better choice for you? That said, your post does raise some issues that have nothing to do with Bardonism but everything to do with pursuing ANY path to enlightenment. Since it's not *my* place to resolve *your* doubts regarding Bardonism (that's *your* job), I will address these other issues. >> First of all, it seems to me that Bardon gave a sort of bare-bones outline in IIH of what is needed to achieve each step. But what about the particulars of the technique or instruction? << While I definitely disagree with your assessment here, it does raise the issue of self-reliance. Following ANY path requires the faculty of self-reliance, of the willingness and ability to look very deeply into the instructions that are provided before declaring them insufficient. Almost always, it is a matter of your not understanding the instruction as opposed to something lacking in the instruction itself. One MUST develop self-reliance in this regard and do their best to avoid relying upon others for these answers. One must always look within for the answers *first*. >> Moreover, what is the goal of the Hermetic path? In Buddhism it seems that the goal is very simple: be enlightened. Why not, as some Buddhists teach, ignore all of it, because all phenomena are illusion, and place the focus simply on being awake in the moment? Also, there are lineages in Buddhism that are unbroken going back a few thousand years. There are teachers around and available with whom one can meditate and learn. Hermetics by comparison seems new and obscure and perhaps immature? Where are the guides and the wisdom teachings handed down over hundreds of years? Obviously I don't know much about it but I would appreciate someone enlightening me. I do think that part of it for me is the unfamiliar complexity. The four elements, three bodies, the Hebrew words and Qabalistic terms and talk of elementals that people bandy around. This is all very new to me and somewhat overwhelming. I know that part of my doubt is that I would rather retreat to something familiar. I take a look inside the Kybalion and my mind starts to shut down from the sheer overload of unfamiliar forms of information. But a part of me also wonders, isn't this unnecessarily complex? I guess that would, again, depend on the goal. If the goal of Theravadan Buddhism is simply enlightenment, then it is simple enough to go live in a monastery and work on being mindful of everything that arises in yourself. If the goal of Christianity is to feel God's love, then one simply must open oneself to it. Would it not be simpler to give up the power and focus on experiencing the Divine, with paths like Buddhism? << Intellectual laziness and the making of assumptions that are based upon the most superficial of understandings is anathema to the pursuit of ANY path to enlightenment. In all of these statements I see gross misunderstandings of all the disciplines you've named. This leads to incorrect assumptions especially when you start comparing one poorly understood philosophy with another poorly understood philosophy. Within each of these statements I see a desire held by many folks -- the desire for an easy way that doesn't take any work. A way that is fully explained and which doesn't challenge the intellect, will, self-confidence, etc., at all. But such a path, were it to exist (and I can assure that it does NOT exist), would also be of absolutely no value. ANY path to enlightenment is a path strewn with hard work. Enlightenment itself is indeed infinitely simplistic but the path *to* enlightenment is complex and laborious. >> I hope someone can tell me what Hermetics is about to them, because right now I still have this idea in my head that magick is about power over things in the world, rather than harmony with the world. That idea is very attractive and, as such, I think, dangerous to me if what I really seek is freedom. Isn't a path like Hermetics, strewn with many possibilities for power and abuse of power, also prone to abuse of self and self-delusion? Doesn't it focus unnecessarily on methods of control rather than methods of communion? << A path is what *you* make of it. It's less important which path you pursue than it is *how* you pursue it. If you pursue ANY path for the purpose of personal power then that is what you'll end up with. Just about every tradition has produced its power mongers, including Buddhism and Hermetics, so the stated goal of any particular tradition is no guarantee that all of its adherents will reach that goal. The stated goal of Bardonian magic is union with the Divine. Some have described it as becoming "more than human" but to become *more* than human, one must first become *fully* human. Bardonian initiation is the process of reclaiming what it truly means to be a human being and all the magical faculties he described are the *natural* powers inherent to humanity. There is a mystical belief at play here that says if one is to merge with the Divine, one must first be worthy of the Divine. In other words, one must purify, expand and grow the small self until it *becomes* the Big Self. This means that one cannot fear any part of the Divine manifestation. Following ANY path to enlightenment requires a personal sense of bravery and the willingness to confront anything that one fears. >> I hope that no one takes offense at my questions, they are posed in a spirit of honest inquiry. << And likewise, I hope you don't take any offense at my replies. :) My best to you, :) Rawn Clark 01 Jan 2004 rawnclark@... rawn@... http://www.ABardonCompanion.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis http://E.webring.com/hub?ring=arionthebardonwe