Dear Joa, >> I must confess that the "Mastery of thoughts" exercise has me "dazed and confused" :) Like you say in your great commentary upon Initiation into hermetics, this exercise involves the attainment of a vacancy of mind or an absence of thoughts. But now you say that "Ideally, you are *aware* of yourself throughout the experience, but aware without thinking". To me, this is a great contradiction, because if you are aware, evidently you are thinking. << This is a common misconception brought about by the fact that most often we reside totally within the surface awareness where thinking and awareness are seemingly inseparable. In reality though, thinking and awareness are two separate functions of the mental body. Thinking is *an aspect of* or power of awareness. The EOM exercise teaches you to separate thinking from awareness and focus entirely upon just awareness by setting aside thought. I would suggest that the fact that you are convinced that the separation of thinking from awareness is impossible, is the reason why you find this exercise so difficult. Perhaps Lesson Three of my "Self-Healing Archaeous" audio series might help you to *experientially* (as opposed to just intellectually) grasp the true nature of the mental body and the attributes, or powers, of conscious awareness. You can find the script of Lesson Three at http://www.ABardonCompanion.com/Arch03.html or download the audio file at http://www.ABardonCompanion.com/MP3-Links.html My best to you, :) Rawn Clark 19 Feb 2004 rawnclark@... rawn@... http://www.ABardonCompanion.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis http://E.webring.com/hub?ring=arionthebardonwe