Rawn, This is well said. Robert Personally, I find no value in Crowley's writings and I do not see any "evidence" of his influence upon Bardon's system. Hermetic initiation as Bardon presented it is not about following another person's revelation. Instead, it is about empowering the student's own abilities to attain their own personal "revelations". My best to you, :) Rawn Clark 08 April 2004 rawnclark@... rawn@... http://www.ABardonCompanion.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis http://E.webring.com/hub?ring=arionthebardonwe -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: BardonPraxis-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]