I am trying to come to terms with white vs. black. From what I read and observe, different people define things differently. The most strict definition I have seen is that anything done for self or against others is black, while only positive things done for mankind are white. Another version is that something must be intended to harm to be bad. If the practitioner believes he is doing good all is well. Wut what if bad comes of something intended to be positive?? Meanwhile, I believe it is Dion Fortune who wrote that anything derieved other from Kether bears karmic consequences. And the Unity Church where I go sometimes talks freely about "manifesting" material things. To me this seems questionable. I am confused. My instinct is toward the more strict definition, but I am really not sure. I cannot recall any of Bardon's commentary. Rawn, have you every written anything on this topic...or do you have any thoughts? Or anyone? Blessings to all, Chris