Chris, Let me make my contribution to the answers to your questions; Actually, Bardon talks about Karma, and how to avoid them. Try to read what Bardon writes about working with the Akasa. You can find that in "Initiation Into Hermetics" and "The Key to the True Kabbalah". He writes about how to face,avoid and transfer Karma, when you master the Akasa. "Meanwhile, I believe it is Dion Fortune who wrote that anything derieved other from Kether bears karmic consequences".: After looking into what Bardon teaches on Akasa in "The Key to the true Kabbalah", you will understand better why Dion Fortune wrote that. "And the Unity Church where I go sometimes talks freely about "manifesting" material things.": I know what you are talking about, actually I used to frequent a Unity Church around the corner. You know from a Mystical point, the church was a place where God's people had to come together and learn the things of God(Spiritual and universal Laws and the ways of God). But like every other human arena , they created certain laws(church laws/bi-laws/policies/regulations) to govern themselves. As time went on, the church can hardly tell God's laws from theirs . Hence, sometimes they get things materialized but they dont are never free of Karmic debts. Thanks for letting me share to the discussion. Manfred. ===== BELIEVE IN WHO YOU ARE !!! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail