Thanks for your reply. You understood what my problem was from how I described it and so your suggestion is a solution, and I'm going to use it and see where I can get with it. I didn't really start working on the initiation by working on all three levels at the same time. I just experimented with the first mental excercise to see how it would be. I didn't do the excercise correctly and it just turned into a emptiness of mind excercise where I was cancelling out all the thoughts that came into my head. It had a very relaxing result but that was the only positive of the excercise, I had it wrong. Thanks again for your help. Ardeshir --- In BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck" <seawinder@h...> wrote: > > > > >how we can be detached from a train of thought > > > If you are able to know that you are detached from a train of > thought, then you are at a certain stage of development... but no > matter where one is one must attack personally the exercise of Step > 1. So, from where you are, emptiness of mine, with 'no' thought > occuring at all... ask yourself this... (when you're there, not here > and now in logicizing it all in typing).. > > Just say; > There is no thought, without my thinking of a thought. > > relax and immediately listen in the silence. > Do it a couple of times, there 'should' be a voice repeating what you > just said. Now... 'there' is a place to go to. Go to that place where > the thought was repeated. Listen to it, again and again, just let it > repeat it and anything else that it is saying. You should be able > tolocate some place in yourself that is making these statements. > > If not, then it is entirely possible that you are not doing these > exercises but just thinking about doing them soon in the near future > and this is your preparation work, and you are intellicizing it. If > that is the case then that is where we are not addressing what you > are asking. Because we are giving you instructions in experiencing > it, as we are experiencing it. If you are not into experiencing it > but just in logicizing it then that is another matter. > > Logicizing. There is a still, quiet voice within each of us. There is > a voice of our merged mind, thought, feeling, experiential humanity > past, and fantasy future. All of these are different aspects of > thought that are possible and we use these merged functions to speak > and think and communicate to ourselves as well as others. The Bardon > methodology is concerned with doing inside mental work in locating > the occuring place of each of these (and other) functions. Once > located they can be controlled once one has learned to apply oneself > to the basic tenents of nature. This, as well as having access to a > higher sense of virtues is all that the methodology is all about. > > So, the first Step is closing ones eyes and facing the fact that one > thinks. How does one think? Where does one think from? Follow one > thought and find out for yourself. For it is only in finding for > yourself that you know. And the prize is knowing. > > Be well, > Chuck